Seiko 7A38 - by the numbers

Here we are!

www.ebay.de/itm/151302945183

Konvolut 7 Quartz Uhren für Bastler: Louis Royal, Trend Time, Puma, SM, JM, Aqua

Did anyone spot the watch on the left side?

According to seller's description it's a Louis Royal Chronograph Uhrwerk: Akita 4GY1

Seem's it could be a 7A28 inside, but it's hard to tell from that photo....the dial is hardly visible.

Well, spotted (again), Arpad ! 

I can't believe the eBay seller posted individual head shots of all the other watches, but not that one. 

I tried zooming in on it, in the group shot, but the result wasn't too clever:

Best I can tell, the L.H. sub-dial appears to be marked 20, 40, 60 - as we've normally come to expect from these 7Axx Wannabe clones.

Hence my comment in this recent thread in the eBay section about a 7A28 Franken, currently listed on eBay in France:

http://www.seiko7a38.com/apps/forums/topics/show/12860018

'Rare' 7A28 Franken re-surfaces on eBay France - Caveat Emptor !

Originally posted (by myself) May 12, 2014 at 5:12 PM

But then look closely at those sub-dials - and their markings ! 

This is a cut-and-shut split dial, using only the original JDM dial's top plate. God knows what movement is actually lurking underneath.

But I suspect it very probably originated in one of these 7Axx Wannabe clones discussed, at length, in this other thread:

http://www.seiko7a38.com/apps/forums/topics/show/7390834- Close Calls and Double-takes - but not the real deal

I messaged the seller for some pics about the Louis Royal watch above.

Here are they:

As we predicted it is not a 7A28 movement.

It looks it's got the same calibre as the GUCCI has at the bottom of the first page pointed out by Lawrence.

Well done - thanks for following up, Arpad. 

Speaking of 7A28 wannabe clones spotted in 'Job Lots', here's one currently listed on eBay Italy:

http://www.ebay.it/itm/261473484370

Tris cronografi da uomo Sector, Pryngeps, Lancaster

The relevant part of the seller's description:

Un cronografo al quarzo Pryngeps tre contatori il quadrante tra il numero 8 e 9 ha lieve segno del tempo, modello Sky pilot , cassa acciaio e ghiera laminata in oro fondello marchiato pryngeps il cronografo è privo di un pulsante in corrispondenza del 2, il cronografo è funzionante come tempo ma non posso dire che la parte cronografica funzioni in quanto manca il pulsante.

Translates as:

A quartz chronograph with three counters Pryngeps the dial number between 8:09 has slight sign of the time, model Sky pilot, steel case and bezel gold plated case back marked Pryngeps the chronograph is missing a button at the 2, the chronograph is functioning as a time but I can not say that the chronograph functions as a button is missing.

So it's effectively the same as the panda-dialed Pryngeps Sky Pilot, which I started off this thread with, but fitted with a different bezel - and missing one of those oblong pushers. Before you ask - No, I'm not going to bother asking the eBay seller for additional photos. 

Konkordski at September 28, 2013 at 10:20 AM

Anyone for an upside down 7A48 knock-off?  Looks related to all these others with a 60 minute sub-dial and has a strange case that pivots on the horizontal axis

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/JEAN-DEVE-STAINLESS-TWO-TONE-CHRONOGRAPH-DATE-MOONPHASE-QUARTZ-/131005353910

It's a pity Lawrence linked photos direct from eBay listings in some of his posts, rather than re-host them in his PhotoBucket ....

Because as shown in the quoted post, eBay doesn't retain images for very long - sometimes they disappear after only 90 days. 

Anyway, I was googling something completely different and just happened to stumble across another Jean d'Eve on Japanese blog:

http://www.geocities.jp/rocknrolltwest/watch.html

I'm not sure if he meant this as an April Fool's joke, but this morning I received a 'heads up' PM's from forum member Don ....

Check this out: Ebay US--# 131469643331 Got that 7A layout !

Exitedly I copied the item # into eBay's advance search window:

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/131469643331

DANIEL MINK CHRONOGRAPH WRISTWATCH Mens. Swiss made. Very nice, stylish, modern sports look. Excellent working condition. MSRP $995.00

My excitement was short lived.  First thing I homed in on was the L.H. sub-dial. Yes this chrono' may have the classic tri-compax layout and typical 7Axx crown and pusher arrangement, but like most of the other 7Axx wannabe's documented in this thread, the second counting sub-dial is graduated to 60 - not 30 minutes. Like many of them it's 'Swiss Made' too. There weren't any clues as to what lay inside on the case-back - which you may note is only a press-fit, rather than a screw-down.  Close, but no cigar, Don. 

It's been 18 months since anybody posted anything in this thread and well over 3 years since I previously first wrote about these particular 7Axx lookalike clones by Carrera. I'm about to put that to rights, so I trust readers won't mind me quoting the couple of relevant posts from the previous page, 'cos I'm going to do it anyway. 

Konkordski at August 10, 2013 at 10:43 AM

How about this Carrera Looks like the same calibre as previous but with the date at 3... Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/350852771155

TOP ♥ CARRERA CHRONOGRAPH, Herrenuhr, Armbanduhr, vergoldet, Einzelstück ♥ TOP

Seiko7A38 at September 15, 2013 at 1:47 PM

Last weekend, Lawrence kindly PM'd me a link to another of those Carrera 7Axx look-alike clones (see his post at the top of this page):

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/190898511880

The seller included a nice set of photos embedded in the listing description:

I must admit I was more than slightly tempted by this one - and even watched the auction as it ended a couple of minutes ago. 

I'd messaged the seller earlier in the week, asking if he could tell me what the movement inside was, or if he could post a photo of it.

He replied (in perfect English):

 

Thanks for your enquiry ! This watch is unworn and I don't have the right tool to open it on hand. I won´t cause damage or scratches on it.

But according to the layout of the dial, the movement should be a Swiss made Ronda movement. 

Hope this will information is a little bit helpful for you. If you need further informations, please feel free to ask.

I guess I was unwilling to gamble on it possibly being a Ronda (or ETA) movement. Seems nobody else was either. It went unsold. 

Hindsight is a wonderful thing - or in our colonial cousins' parlance - 20/20 vision. 

Now, three years later I am really kicking myself for passing on that NOS two-tone Carrera. If only I had taken the gamble. 

It transpires it didn't contain a Ronda (nor ETA) movement - as far as I can tell, but another make I've never heard of. 

Something to note from that German eBay seller's description is the Carrera model case-back reference # - 515.12

Strangely, I wasn't actually searching on Carrera at the time (but something vaguely related) when I stumbled across an all-stainless version, listed by a US eBay seller, last week. It came up as one of those eBay 'suggestions'. Remembering this thread and instantly recognizing it, I resolved not to let it slip through my fingers this time, as this seller had not only written a lengthy and very enthusiastic description, but had also included a photo of the movement.  This one incidentally is a Carrera model reference # 515.11.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/172380872009

THIS IS A WORKING, PRE-OWNED VINTAGE CARRERA SWISS QUARTZ 3 REGISTER CHRONOGRAPH WATCH, GUARANTEED AUTHENTIC. PERHAPS THE MOST FINELY BUILT SWISS QUARTZ CHRONOGRAPH I'VE EVER HANDLED. I COULD NOT FIND ANOTHER EXAMPLE - I'M NOT EVEN SURE THIS WATCH WAS EVER (WORN) OR OFFERED FOR SALE- IT COULD BE A PROTOTYPE. 

CASE, CASE BACK AND BRACELET CLEANED AND UV SANITIZED. MOVEMENT INSPECTED, CLEANED AND TIMED. BRAND NEW PREMIUM BATTERY INSTALLED. LUBRICATED. 

EXCELLENT WORKING , AND COSMETIC CONDITION - NEAR MINT CONDITION GRADE! 

################################################################3

CIRCA LATE 1980S -1990S CARRERA SWISS CHRONOGRAPH ~20 ATM (200 METER) WATER RESISTANT STAINLESS STEEL MENS WATCH. THE WATCH IS POWERED BY ITS ORIGINAL, TOP GRADE MTM SWISS CALIBER 869.10 ~ 15 JEWEL 3 REGISTER (and 3 function pusher) QUARTZ CHRONOGRAPH (1/10 SECONDS, 60 SECONDS AND 60 MINUTES) WITH QUICK SET DATE COMPLICATION .

WATCH TIME AND DATE IS SET BY USE OF CROWN/STEM LOCATED AT 8 HOUR POSITION. CHRONOGRAPH START AND STOP FUNCTION PUSHER LOCATED AT 2 HOUR POSITION. CHRONOGRAPH RESET (ALL CHRONOGRAPH REGISTERS HANDS GO TO "0" POSITION) FUNCTION PUSHER LOCATED AT 4 HOUR POSITION. CHRONOGRAPH HANDS ADJUSTMENT FUNCTION PUSHER LOCATED AT 10 HOUR POSITION. THE MOVEMENT WAS CLEANED, TIMED AND LUBRICATED. BRAND NEW SWISS PREMIUM BATTERY INSTALLED.

SPOTLESS ORIGINAL 29MM FLAT BLACK -WITH BRIGHT SILVER REGISTERS "REVERSE PANDA" STYLED CHRONOGRAPH DIAL. "CARRERA CHRONOGRAPH 200 METERS " PRINTED UNDER 12 HOUR POSITION. 1/10 SECOND, 60 SECOND AND 60 MINUTE CHRONOGRAPH SUB-DIALS LOCATED AT 3, 6 AND 9 HOUR POSITIONS RESPECTIVELY. APPLIED RAISED WHITE GOLD HASH STYLED HOUR MARKERS. CONTRAST PRINTED BEVELED TACHYMETER REGISTER LOCATED ON DIALS EDGE. POLISHED WHITE GOLD HOUR, MINUTE , AND (TIME) SWEEPING SECONDS HAND. DATE WINDOW LOCATED AT 3 HOUR POSITION ON DIALS EDGE.

NEAR MINT CONDITION 37.5 MM WIDE X 43.5MM LONG, BRUSHED SOLID STAINLESS STEEL 200 METER WATER RESISTANT CASE . CASE IS 12MM THICK (WITH BEZEL AND CASE BACK). LITTLE TO NO EAR ON CASE. NO WEAR ON SLOTTED POLISHED BEZEL. LITTLE TO NO WEAR ON SCREW DOWN DIVER CROWN AND 3 CHRONOGRAPH FUNCTION PUSHERS. SCREW DOWN STAINLESS STEEL CASE BACK -LITTLE TO NO WEAR ON CASE BACK - STILL HAS FACTORY PROTECTIVE CLEAR PLASTIC INTACT. RUBBER O-RING SEAL INSPECTED AND LUBRICATED . CASE BACK THREADS, AND CROWN TUBE THREADS, AND FUNCTION PUSHERS LUBRICATED WITH SILICON GREASE. I NOTICED 1 SMALL SCRATCH AT 10 HOUR POSITION ON MINERAL CRYSTAL. NO CHIPS OR CRACK.

ORIGINAL TOP GRADE SOLID LINK STAINLESS STEEL DEPLOYMENT BRACELET ADJUSTS TO ACCEPTS WRISTS UP TO 9" ( OR 220MM). MILLED (NOT LAYERED) SOLID STAINLESS STEEL BRACELET LINKS ARE ALTERNATING POLISHED AND BRUSHED. IT MEASURES 18MM WIDE FOR ENTIRE LENGTH- AVERAGES 3.5MM THICK. LITTLE TO NO WEAR ON SURFACES OF BRACELET - IT COULD PASS FOR NEW. SPOTLESS CLEAN.SIGNED TRI-FOLD DEPLOYMENT CLOSURE WITH SIGNED FOLD OVER SAFETY.

COMMENTS: CLASSIC CHRONOGRAPH DIVER - NEW LONG LIFE SWISS BATTERY. SERVICED AND CLEANED - RUNNING STRONG, ALL FUNCTIONS TESTED - KEEPS EXCELLENT TIME, READY TO WEAR!

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I won the auction, which ended in the early hours of Wednesday morning, for a not unreasonable price of $102.50. 

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/172380872009

It turns out that the seller had previously listed it at the beginning of October with a Buy-it-Now price of $500 !! 

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/182198249498

Indeed, it appears he'd first listed it (again as a Buy-it-Now for $500) as far back as July: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/172257807422

Not that it particularly needed it, as the eBay seller's photo was already plenty clear enough ....

But here's that shot of the movement rotated through 90°, showing the MTM maker's mark and the caliber # 869.10.

So far, I've had zero success finding out anything about it online. 

Any google search including the term 'MTM' simply returns dozens of those ridiculous-looking uber-macho pseudo-military MTM Special Ops chrono's. I make NO apology for my contempt of the wannabe morons who wear such pretentious junk. 

Slightly for this thread ....

Just out of curiosity, I ran a worldwide search on 'Carrera 15J Chronograph' on ended eBay listings to see if I'd missed any others.

I found one that sold for a mere $29 at the end of September, except it's not quite the same ....

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/201673947141

It has a 15 jewel metal movement (a MTM Cal. 869.60, rather than 869.10) with the same (7Axx) crown and pusher arrangement and a date window @ 3 o'clock, but with a 7Txx sub-dial layout ! 

Original post content moved by Admin.

For further information on the Carrera 15J 7Axx lookalikes, please see separate new topic: Attack of the Carrera 7Axx Clones.

Here's a 7A28 clone that really grabbed my attention and made me do a double take.

It was listed in the early hours of this morning by a Spanish eBay seller. Yeah - ORIENT and Spain again ....

Think back to page 2 of this thread, where Lawrence and I discussed those 'fake' Orient Watch branded 7A28 clones .....

Of course Orient Watch Co. did actually produce pukka re-branded 7A38's and 7A48's (in the form of the J39 and J38).

But this is something different again - and it isn't Orient's (missing) re-branded version of the 7A28 .... it's a J85 for starters.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/322541899084

RELOJ de CUARZO.

CALIBRE JAPONÉS CALIBRE ORIENT.

REFERENCÍA J85109.

CAJA CROMADA MATE.

CORREA DE PIEL DE VACUNO.

MEDIDAS 37 milimetros Y 10 de GRUESO.

NUEVO SIN ESTRENAR PROCEDENTE DE ESTOC DE TIENDA.

PEQUEÑAS SEÑALES DE ALMACENAGE.

ENVIO POR "MRW"100% ASEGURADO.

It was the block capital CHRONOGRAPH dial script that first caught my eye. But almost immediately my attention turned to the minute counting sub-dial. Naturally, like nearly all the 7Axx clones in this thread*, it's graduated to 60 minutes, rather than the 7Axx's 30.

At only 50 Euros, I was almost tempted to hit the Buy-it-Now button - just to find out what movement lurked inside ....

But as I was already seriously over-spent on watches this week, I decided to hold fire, at least for the time being. 

* Just scrolling back though past images, the J85109-41's dial is very similar to those of the two ZentRa's on page 1 of this thread.

Seiko7A38 at June 26, 2013 at 5:55 PM

I'll admit that my curiosity had been more than slightly aroused by this 7Axx-esque ZentRa.

After I placed a low bid on it, I messaged the eBay seller asking him what markings were on the movement. He wrote back in German:

Can't find any manufacturer's name, but it's marked with Six Jewels Unadjusted and also with One Jewel (on the bridge plate by the coil).

He continued: The movement is running; the chrono' runs - can start and stop, but I can't "zero".

So I asked him if he could send me a photo of the movement, in the hope that I might recognise or possibly be able to identify it.

I heard nothing for a couple of days, but tonight he kindly uploaded these two to his listing, and messaged me to let me know he had.

Well, that ZentRa may resemble something like a 7Axx layout from the front, but it sure as hell doesn't look like one on the inside. 

Got to admit I've got absolutely no idea what it may be.  Not sure that I even want to take it on as 'fun' project any more, either. 

Once again, curiosity got the better of me .... But not quite inquisitive nor intrigued enough to hit the Buy-it-Now button. 

Instead. I sent a message to the Spanish eBay seller, asking if he could supply a photo of the movement inside the Orient J85.

He kindly responded very quickly, by embedding three in his reply to my message and also uploading four to his eBay listing:

No great surprise then, with the Orient J85's dial looking so similar to the ZentRa, that their movements should be almost identical.

It's obviously the same Chinese made (ISA copy?) movement, with two batteries. The difference being this one's marked as having only  '1 ONE JEWEL', whereas the ZentRa claimed '6 SIX JEWELS' and ORIENT is crudely printed across the battery +ve retaining strap.

Kind of disappointing in a way; I'd expected something a little better from Orient. So I'm glad I resisted the temptation. 

Seiko7A38 at February 18, 2013 at 3:16 AM

Well, whatever non-Seiko movement these Kamatz 7A28-lookalikes may be powered by*, this French eBay seller seems to have cornered the market in them. Earlier this morning he listed another on eBay. At first glance, this one looks better / more complete ....

*PS - Curiosity has got the better of me. I've asked the seller the question.

As you can see, from the date of the partial quote, it's been a good few years since I can remember last seeing any of those Kamatz '7A28 Clones' listed on eBay. By an amusing coincidence, a US eBay seller has listed two of them, within the last 48 hours - and they're the same dial colour combinations - a 'Panda' and a 'Reverse Panda'. Though they're clearly not the same watches, These are complete and in rather better condition. Plus they both have the 'Diver's bezel, compared to the Compass points bezel and none (missing), of the French eBay seller's examples. Note that these Kamatz '7A28 Clones' don't have any model number engraved on their case-backs, unlike their 7A38-powered 5xx000 siblings.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/293414255197

Kamatz Paris Gentleman's Chronometer/Tachometer., full working Triple Chronograph with quartz analog movement. Very limited production of these watches made. Sub dials with 1/5th of a second, 30 minute, and 12 hour, and timed chronograph. It is water resistant to 10 atmospheres (330 feet) and has a directional ratcheted numbered outer bezel. Easy read dial, screw down locking crown with crown guards, and twin sealing gaskets. Screw back cover, solid stainless case, elegant embossed leather band. Band shows some aging and wear at strap. 

Impact resistant mineral crystal. Professional ratcheting two-tone bezel. Screw down Crown for safety and security. Split second and lap time chronograph for competition timing. Incredibly Water Resistant to 300 feet. Inset Tachometer Ring. Three pushers for Chrono function. Three subsidiary dials. Regular second, minute and hour hands. Day and date indicators. Deluxe, heavy, fine leather band in Brown. A very handsome watch. Made by 'Kamatz of Paris'. 

Manufacturers List Price $695.00. 

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http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/303440328352

Kamatz Paris Gentleman's Chronometer/Tachometer., full working Triple Chronograph with quartz analog movement. Very limited production of these watches made. Sub dials with 1/5th of a second, 30 minute, and 12 hour, and timed chronograph. It is water resistant to 10 atmospheres (330 feet) and has a directional ratcheted numbered outer bezel. Easy read dial, screw down locking crown with crown guards, and twin sealing gaskets. Screw back cover, solid stainless case, elegant embossed leather band. Band apears brand new, and is the proper Kamatz signed version for the original release.

Impact resistant mineral crystal. Professional ratcheting two-tone bezel. Screw down Crown for safety and security. Split second and lap time chronograph for competition timing. Incredibly Water Resistant to 300 feet. Inset Tachometer Ring. Three pushers for Chrono function. Three subsidiary dials. Regular second, minute and hour hands. Day and date indicators. Deluxe, heavy, fine leather band in Brown. A very handsome watch. Made by 'Kamatz of Paris'. 

Manufacturers List Price $695.00. 

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The two listing descriptions are virtually identical, save for the condition of the strap. (Both are fitted with their original Kamatz straps). Both include the same erroneous statement: Sub dials with 1/5th of a second, 30 minute, and 12 hour ....

Whereas they clearly have a 60 minute counting sub-dial; a fractions of seconds sub-dial with increments marked in 1/20th's and a constant seconds sub-dial. So they've either copied that mis-information from somewhere, or just haven't looked at the dials very closely. 

The French eBay seller, typically, never did respond. I'm wondering if it might be worth asking the current US eBay seller for a photo of the movement. Purely out of curiosity, you understand. I suspect it's likely to be something similar to those dual battery composite movements in the Zentra and Orient, higher up the page.

Well I guess we'll never know.  Both those Kamatz '7A28 Clones' sold earlier this evening - not quite for the full Buy-it-Now prices, but for a combined offer price of $199.99 for the pair (they were bought by the same person).

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/293414255197

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/303440328352

This afternoon, I was casually browsing the Swedish auction site Tradera.com and spotted this VISA branded chronograph, fitted with a leather strap, which I assume is a replacement for the original bracelet. It was a 7-day auction, which ends in an hour or so. The bezel / case design bears a resemblance to a couple of 7Axx's. 

http://www.tradera.com/en/item/341996/387829590/fin-herr-visa-chronograph-quartz-1one-jewel-japan-uret-40mm-

The One jewel, twin battery composite movememt looks like the same one we've seen a few times before - most recently in that Orient, higher up the page. No I'm not interested - not even for £20 quid.

Belated Edit: I thought that 7Axx-esque case design looked familiar. 

It's the same as the ZentRa which I posted on the first page of this thread.

Apart from my recently renewed dalliance with the MTM powered Carrera 515.11, I've not stumbled across (or, if I'm honest even actively searched for) any more of these 7Axx clones. Hence the reason the thread hasn't been updated in 5 months. However, it seems others have done so. Since reluctantly signing up to Instagram, I've had late-night online conversations with a few forum members, who've sadly drifted away. One such is alan776600, a.k.a. Alan Symes, who nowadays runs the Seiko Passion FaceBook group. I asked Alan to write this post up himself, but he replied saying he'd prefer if I did it, as not only is he too busy with FaceBook and Instagram, he's currently also away on holiday.

Just over a week ago, Alan emailed me this photo of a ZEON branded 7Axx clone.

.... Asking: I know it’s not a 7A movement but do you know what brand is in it?

I replied: Dunno, Alan. Never really tied it down to a particular manufacturer, though some people have pointed at ETA. The giveaway is the 60 minute counter (not 30). There are loads of photos of similar 7Axx clones using that movement (including shots of it) in this thread.

Correcting myself, I followed that with: I just re-read a bit of it again myself. I referred to it as a Chinese-made ISA (not ETA) clone.

Alan opined that elements of it made him think it was possibly connected to Seiko.

I later replied: It's also quite reminiscent of the Citizen 35xx Chrono' Diver.

As he was being a bit coy at the time, I guessed that Alan had either just bought it on eBay, or was considering doing so. I did a quick search on 'Zeon Chronograph', but didn't find it, so I asked him for a link, which he kindly provided. He had indeed just bought it. 

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/184168125178

Here's the eBay seller's other 11 photos and listing description:

Zeon Mens Watch. 

Has a Chronograph function but it doesn't seem to work. The new owner will have to get it fixed if they want a chronograph, otherwise works fine. 

Blemishes, light scratches on the case, bezel and bracelet.

Wear to the Rotating bezel. Faint, light scratches on the glass, does not effect the telling of the time or look of the 

Wrist size approx. 205mm 

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Despite being away on holiday in Scotland, Alan was evidently keen to get his hands on it, because he asked the seller to post it to the address of a relative or neighbour, where he was staying. Here's a wrist shot he sent me via Instagram. Doesn't look too bad at arm's length. 

Alan was also keen to find out what movement it had inside. Here's a shot of it.

Also taken while Alan was away on holiday. That's dedication / passion for you. 

No great surprise, just as I'd suspected, it's another of those unidentified composite 2-battery movements. Fingers crossed for Alan that replacing the other battery will solve the non-functional chronograph issue.