Everything sells eventually, it seems ....
Everything sells eventually, it seems ....
Some watches take a little longer to sell than others. Sometimes it’s because they’re not generally a popular model, or not a particularly good condition example. Usually, it’s because they’re over-priced for their condition. Over the last decade and more, the absolute undisputed record, for failing to sell a Seiko 7A38, has been held by lackadaisical US eBay seller vanman2usa. According to my records, his much-relisted 7A38-7180, often eponymously tagged 4-U-2-Fix, has remained unsold since first being listed in July 2007. Then there was a Dutch eBay seller who took well over 3 years, from the end of August 2017 until November 2020 to sell another example. Here’s a screenshot of my post from the 7A38-7180 SAA055J model thread.
Here’s a couple more recent examples (both of which tie up ‘loose ends' from threads on the old forum):
Here’s a couple more recent examples (both of which tie up ‘loose ends' from threads on the old forum):
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This 7A38-724A, in average worn condition, was first listed by an Italian eBay seller in March 2019, as a 10-day auction, with an over-ambitious opening bid price of 220 Euros:
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Seiko-chrono ... 3433379863
I lost count of the number of subsequent 10-day re-listings. In early January, he revised his latest re-listing once again, further reducing the opening bid price to 159 Euros. It took another two 10-day re-listings before it eventually found a buyer, making a total of 1 year and 10 months !!
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Seiko-chrono ... 4152480402
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Seiko-chrono ... 3433379863
I lost count of the number of subsequent 10-day re-listings. In early January, he revised his latest re-listing once again, further reducing the opening bid price to 159 Euros. It took another two 10-day re-listings before it eventually found a buyer, making a total of 1 year and 10 months !!
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Seiko-chrono ... 4152480402
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Whereas the 7A38-724A possibly falls into the 'less desirable variant' category (I personally find that relatively scarce model quite attractive), the next one, by comparison is quite popular, because of its larger 43mm Ø size. However it was a particularly poor example and grossly over-priced for the condition.
This rather well-worn, brown coated 7A38-6020, fitted with a lizard strap, was first listed by appropriately named US eBay seller patinawatchstore back in late March last year. Or at least that’s when it first came up in my eBay search results, because the seller had managed to cock up the model number in their listing title.
They originally listed it on eBay with a ludicrous 'pie-in-the-sky' Buy-it-Now price of $455.55.
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Vintage-Seik ... 2735572573
In fact, I'd seen it listed elsewhere, well before I spotted that erroneous eBay listing. Starting at the end of March last year and continuing for several months, they had also regularly listed it on the Dutch auction site Catawiki, like this:
Usually, like the above, it was a low-start (1 Euro) 5-day auction, but always with an evidently over-ambitious reserve price set. It never once met the reserve price and IIRC, the highest it was ever bid to, in April last year, was 247 Euros. The lowest price it ever achieved was a mere 100 Euros at the end of June. Here's a screenshot of a subsequent post from the 7A38-6020 SAA043J thread.
That didn't stop them re-listing it on eBay, with even more ridiculous asking prices, such as $559.99 in December.
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Vintage-Seik ... 3061310854
They subsequently ended that re-listing on January 18th, because of an error - presumably in the pricing.
They re-listed it again, immediately, with the Buy-it-Now price reduced to 'only' $399.99. By this time, I was so sick to death of the sight of it, I couldn't be bothered to comment on it in the old forum's model thread, nor even take a screen print. I just simply added it to my eBay watching page, expecting it to be there for a while longer. Much to my surprise, it appears to have sold 2 days ago, for that reduced Buy-it-Now price of $399.99.
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Vintage-Seik ... 3100022226
So it may have taken him over 10 months, but persistence certainly appears to have paid off in the end, for the seller. As for the buyer, I can't think what possessed them to pay $400 for that - I suspect they're going to be disappointed. Must have been brain fade - and certainly lack of due diligence.
This rather well-worn, brown coated 7A38-6020, fitted with a lizard strap, was first listed by appropriately named US eBay seller patinawatchstore back in late March last year. Or at least that’s when it first came up in my eBay search results, because the seller had managed to cock up the model number in their listing title.
They originally listed it on eBay with a ludicrous 'pie-in-the-sky' Buy-it-Now price of $455.55.
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Vintage-Seik ... 2735572573
In fact, I'd seen it listed elsewhere, well before I spotted that erroneous eBay listing. Starting at the end of March last year and continuing for several months, they had also regularly listed it on the Dutch auction site Catawiki, like this:
Usually, like the above, it was a low-start (1 Euro) 5-day auction, but always with an evidently over-ambitious reserve price set. It never once met the reserve price and IIRC, the highest it was ever bid to, in April last year, was 247 Euros. The lowest price it ever achieved was a mere 100 Euros at the end of June. Here's a screenshot of a subsequent post from the 7A38-6020 SAA043J thread.
That didn't stop them re-listing it on eBay, with even more ridiculous asking prices, such as $559.99 in December.
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Vintage-Seik ... 3061310854
They subsequently ended that re-listing on January 18th, because of an error - presumably in the pricing.
They re-listed it again, immediately, with the Buy-it-Now price reduced to 'only' $399.99. By this time, I was so sick to death of the sight of it, I couldn't be bothered to comment on it in the old forum's model thread, nor even take a screen print. I just simply added it to my eBay watching page, expecting it to be there for a while longer. Much to my surprise, it appears to have sold 2 days ago, for that reduced Buy-it-Now price of $399.99.
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Vintage-Seik ... 3100022226
So it may have taken him over 10 months, but persistence certainly appears to have paid off in the end, for the seller. As for the buyer, I can't think what possessed them to pay $400 for that - I suspect they're going to be disappointed. Must have been brain fade - and certainly lack of due diligence.
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Here's another one that I missed earlier. I was going through my eBay watching page this morning, deleting some old ended listings, to make room for more over-priced crap that I have no intention of buying, and spotted it, belatedly.
This well-worn 7A38-701A, fitted with a non-original replacement bracelet, was first listed by an Italian eBay seller at the end of September 2019, as a 5-day auction with a risibly over-optimistic opening bid price of 450 Euros. Here's a screenshot of my post from the top of page 7 of the 7A38-701A SAA003J model thread.
The hapless Italian eBay seller had re-listed it literally dozens of times since then, alternately as 5 and 3-day auctions. Needless to say, I lost count ages ago. Over the last year, he'd continued to gradually reduce the unrealistic opening bid price. I never bothered to post any more updates after the couple I'd made further down page 7 - up to the end of 2019. But I did take a couple more screenshots in June and July last year (that I never previously uploaded to the thread):
It finally sold a fortnight ago, on 3rd February, when somebody placed a last minute bid on his latest 3-day auction, winning it for the further reduced opening bid price of 220 Euros (less than half his original figure of 450 Euros).
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Seiko-Mens-7 ... 3265004437
That took just over 1 year and 4 months to sell. Amusingly, he never corrected his 'Alarming' mistake.
This well-worn 7A38-701A, fitted with a non-original replacement bracelet, was first listed by an Italian eBay seller at the end of September 2019, as a 5-day auction with a risibly over-optimistic opening bid price of 450 Euros. Here's a screenshot of my post from the top of page 7 of the 7A38-701A SAA003J model thread.
The hapless Italian eBay seller had re-listed it literally dozens of times since then, alternately as 5 and 3-day auctions. Needless to say, I lost count ages ago. Over the last year, he'd continued to gradually reduce the unrealistic opening bid price. I never bothered to post any more updates after the couple I'd made further down page 7 - up to the end of 2019. But I did take a couple more screenshots in June and July last year (that I never previously uploaded to the thread):
It finally sold a fortnight ago, on 3rd February, when somebody placed a last minute bid on his latest 3-day auction, winning it for the further reduced opening bid price of 220 Euros (less than half his original figure of 450 Euros).
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Seiko-Mens-7 ... 3265004437
That took just over 1 year and 4 months to sell. Amusingly, he never corrected his 'Alarming' mistake.
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Checking my eBay watching page (a bit late in the day, admittedly - no matter), I just noticed this Orient J39908-70 (dressy re-branded Seiko 7A38) and a 'Wrong Un' to boot, had finally sold this morning for an undisclosed best offer.
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/264292377112
It was first listed by the Italian eBay seller as far back as October 23rd 2018 and had obviously been messed about with: fitted with the wrong hands, wrong colour day/date wheels (possibly a complete movement from a Seiko 7A38 donor) and incorrect replacement generic crown. I wrote about it on page 2 of the old forum's non-Seiko Wrong Un's thread.
Although I'd added the subsequent re-listing to my eBay watching page, I hadn't noticed the seller had revised it twice:
Probably because they kept the original listing's same poorly-lit photo of the watch as the primary image throughout.
Transpired they'd uploaded 5 more photos (has to be said, some equally badly lit) including these two head-on shots:
Here's how an unmolested such Orient J39908-70 would have looked, per Alessandro Dotti Contra's well-worn example:
.... and my Racer branded equivalent. Compare the correct original hands, day/date wheels and crown fitted to both.
WatchCount.com's Look-up tool reveals that over the two years the re-listing had run for, it received over 5900 views !
But if you take into account the original listing dating from October 2018 (which goes without saying, has long since disappeared into the ether), I wonder how many it accrued in total over the span of 2½ years, plus a fortnight !!
The eBay Purchase History reveals that the seller had previously declined numerous offers against this re-listing:
Makes one wonder how much the offer was that he finally accepted. I must admit, when I saw the original listing (long before I bought my Racer version), my collection of J39908-70's was still lacking the cream dial / blue baton version. I may even have made a lowball offer on the original listing, but decided not to pursue it on the grounds that it needed too much effort (and parts) to restore it to original condition. I wasn't even sure, at the time, whether if it was fitted with the correct case-back. It's only barely legible in the set of newer photos.
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/264292377112
It was first listed by the Italian eBay seller as far back as October 23rd 2018 and had obviously been messed about with: fitted with the wrong hands, wrong colour day/date wheels (possibly a complete movement from a Seiko 7A38 donor) and incorrect replacement generic crown. I wrote about it on page 2 of the old forum's non-Seiko Wrong Un's thread.
Although I'd added the subsequent re-listing to my eBay watching page, I hadn't noticed the seller had revised it twice:
Probably because they kept the original listing's same poorly-lit photo of the watch as the primary image throughout.
Transpired they'd uploaded 5 more photos (has to be said, some equally badly lit) including these two head-on shots:
Here's how an unmolested such Orient J39908-70 would have looked, per Alessandro Dotti Contra's well-worn example:
.... and my Racer branded equivalent. Compare the correct original hands, day/date wheels and crown fitted to both.
WatchCount.com's Look-up tool reveals that over the two years the re-listing had run for, it received over 5900 views !
But if you take into account the original listing dating from October 2018 (which goes without saying, has long since disappeared into the ether), I wonder how many it accrued in total over the span of 2½ years, plus a fortnight !!
The eBay Purchase History reveals that the seller had previously declined numerous offers against this re-listing:
Makes one wonder how much the offer was that he finally accepted. I must admit, when I saw the original listing (long before I bought my Racer version), my collection of J39908-70's was still lacking the cream dial / blue baton version. I may even have made a lowball offer on the original listing, but decided not to pursue it on the grounds that it needed too much effort (and parts) to restore it to original condition. I wasn't even sure, at the time, whether if it was fitted with the correct case-back. It's only barely legible in the set of newer photos.
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Yesterday I reached the maximum limit of 400 items on my eBay watching page. Not surprising really, given that I try to add everything Seiko 7A38 (and related) to it and some of the unrealistic prices asked by sellers, which dictate that they're never likely to sell in a month of Sundays. Instead they just keep going round and around ad infinitum.
I first added this half-decent brown PVD coated 7A38-6020 to my eBay watching page in November 2019. I'd also posted about it on page 10 of the old forum's model specific thread at the time.
Firstly there was the typically over-ambitious Buy-it-Now asking price of 599 Euros, but probably more of a deterrent to potential buyers, was the fact it was fitted with the wrong case-back off a two-tone 7A38-7260.
The Italian eBay seller pulled the customary 'ending as allegedly NLA and re-listing' stunt a couple of times, but nowhere near as bad as some exponents. His unrealistic asking price remained constant throughout.
As revealed by WatchCount.com's look-up tool, his most recent re-listing had in fact run since August last year:
It finally sold yesterday afternoon for an undisclosed best offer (which was the sole offer made during that re-listing):
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/154581069401
That took 2 years, 2 months and 3 days since it was first listed. Little wonder why my watching page is overflowing.
I first added this half-decent brown PVD coated 7A38-6020 to my eBay watching page in November 2019. I'd also posted about it on page 10 of the old forum's model specific thread at the time.
Firstly there was the typically over-ambitious Buy-it-Now asking price of 599 Euros, but probably more of a deterrent to potential buyers, was the fact it was fitted with the wrong case-back off a two-tone 7A38-7260.
The Italian eBay seller pulled the customary 'ending as allegedly NLA and re-listing' stunt a couple of times, but nowhere near as bad as some exponents. His unrealistic asking price remained constant throughout.
As revealed by WatchCount.com's look-up tool, his most recent re-listing had in fact run since August last year:
It finally sold yesterday afternoon for an undisclosed best offer (which was the sole offer made during that re-listing):
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/154581069401
That took 2 years, 2 months and 3 days since it was first listed. Little wonder why my watching page is overflowing.
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Here's another classic example. This two-tone 7A38-7240, in well worn condition, but still fitted with its original Seiko p/n G1285C bracelet, was first listed by German eBay seller dossedeern as a Buy-it-Now with option to make an offer, on 8th February 2019. Checking the properties of the seller's 9 photos I right-clicked and saved confirms the date.
Needless to say all traces of the original listing disappeared into the ether long ago, but I managed to find this search notification in my eMail inbox. The Sterling figure of £218.90 converts to €249.50 Euros @ the prevailing exchange rate.
This seller is another who annoyingly ends items as allegedly no longer available and re-lists them. I've absolutely no idea how many times he did so with this one, but I suspect it runs into dozens. The oldest ended listing I can find in eBay History was created on 5th January this year and ended in the usual manner on 4th February.
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/SEIKO-Quartz ... 4691033486
The most recent re-listing had been created on 4th March and was similarly ended yesterday evening.
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/363751847879
Although I didn't see it happen, later yesterday evening the seller re-listed it once again and accepted a best offer:
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/294902053168
So he ended up selling it for less than half his original asking price and it took him 3 years, 1 month and 27 days !!
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I know for a fact that some of the 7A38's on my eBay watching page have been on there (in one form or another) for SIX years and more - still remaining unsold because they're stupidly over-priced. But because most canny sellers tend to end and re-list after a while, the oldest current listing (for a well-worn ex-Philippines 7A38-705A offered by a US re-seller) dates back to 9th November 2018. That watch was first listed on eBay (by the original Filipino seller) in April 2017.
The problem I sometimes encounter, is when one of these 'older' watches eventually sells, is trying to work out how long it actually took the seller ! Since eBay started actively deleting completed / ended listings after 60 days, it's now virtually impossible to back-track the full history of any item that's been re-listed multiple times.
Back in 2016, an Italian eBay seller onmiller_07 listed at least five, maybe a total of half a dozen 7A38's, which from memory were all typically over-priced. Three of them still remain unsold today. They were last re-listed in June 2020.
Not only had they been re-listed multiple times but the seller had revised the photos, so I nearly missed spotting this:
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/283905787411
That re-listing which eventually sold for an undisclosed best offer yesterday also dated from 7th June 2020. But how much further back than that did it go ? The watch is actually a 7A38-702A (not a 7A38-7020 as the seller posted). But the word 'LEMON' in his title was something unique. So I searched in my email history on '7A38-7020' and 'LEMON' ....
That thumbnail photo is from the original listing. It's also among the dozen current photos in the revised re-listing.
The email re-listing notification is dated 13th October 2016, so presumably it was first listed on eBay 30 days earlier - on 13th September 2016 (FWIW as item # 272373722885). That's 6 years, 3 months and 22 days it took to sell !!
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Such things are much easier to track if I'd written about them on the old forum at the time, as I did about this risibly over-priced Kamatz 518000 'Oscar Bravo', in August 2019, on page 35 of the Yema N7's and N8's spotted... thread.
The US eBay seller cousinsgold2011, has recently changed their username to phoenixpawn2023 (their location of Hudson, Florida remains the same). They previously last re-listed it in September 2022, with the Buy-it-Now price reduced to $379.95. They ended that listing two days ago, because of an error in the listing (obviously still the pricing).
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/155176948040
They re-listed it as a 7-day auction, with a more realistic opening bid price of $199.95 or the option to make an offer.
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/155342612339
It finally sold yesterday afternoon for an undisclosed best offer. That one took 3 years, 4 months and 23 days to sell !
The US eBay seller cousinsgold2011, has recently changed their username to phoenixpawn2023 (their location of Hudson, Florida remains the same). They previously last re-listed it in September 2022, with the Buy-it-Now price reduced to $379.95. They ended that listing two days ago, because of an error in the listing (obviously still the pricing).
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/155176948040
They re-listed it as a 7-day auction, with a more realistic opening bid price of $199.95 or the option to make an offer.
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/155342612339
It finally sold yesterday afternoon for an undisclosed best offer. That one took 3 years, 4 months and 23 days to sell !
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Checking my eBay watching page, it looks like Italian eBay seller onmiller_07 may have found a mug punter buyer for another of their long unsold over-priced 7A38's. This well-worn two-tone 7A38-7020 sold yesterday afternoon, not for the risible €650 Euro Buy-it-Now price, but an undisclosed best offer.Seiko7A38 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 1:08 pmBack in 2016, an Italian eBay seller onmiller_07 listed at least five, maybe a total of half a dozen 7A38's, which from memory were all typically over-priced. Three of them still remain unsold today. They were last re-listed in June 2020.
Not only had they been re-listed multiple times but the seller had revised the photos, so I nearly missed spotting this:
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/274390597580
That re-listing dates from 7th June 2020. The seller had revised the listing adding different photos on 6 occasions. The original listing, which only included two very similar photos, of the watch perched on a blue Seiko presentation box*, goes back much further. Once again, a quick search of my email archive provided the answer as to exactly how long.
The ending soon notification is dated 24th October 2016, so presumably it was first listed on eBay 30 days earlier - on 24th September 2016 (FWIW as item # 282191077966). That's 6 years, 5 months and 10 days that one took to sell !!
*One of those two original photos survived in the last re-listing. Note the date shown - 23.
Checking my photo folders, I saved it from the original listing on 24th September 2016.
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Confused Italian eBay seller onmiller_07 appears to have managed to finally sell another of their 7A38's this afternoon.
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/274390597561
Although the listing title erroneously calls up model number 7A38-7020, probably the result of copying templates, it also includes the word 'Titanio'. It's actually a 7A38-7130 SAA046J, incidentally in almost mint condition. That re-listing dated from 7th June 2020, but like the couple of their other 7A38's cited in this thread, the original listings dated from several years earlier. I haven't managed to find any old eBay notifications, this time, but I did find what was the original listing's primary image, of the watch sat atop the same blue Seiko presentation box, which has survived in the current re-listing. The image properties show that I'd saved it to my folder on 23rd September 2016.
That one took 6 years, 6 months and 18 days to find a buyer !
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/274390597561
Although the listing title erroneously calls up model number 7A38-7020, probably the result of copying templates, it also includes the word 'Titanio'. It's actually a 7A38-7130 SAA046J, incidentally in almost mint condition. That re-listing dated from 7th June 2020, but like the couple of their other 7A38's cited in this thread, the original listings dated from several years earlier. I haven't managed to find any old eBay notifications, this time, but I did find what was the original listing's primary image, of the watch sat atop the same blue Seiko presentation box, which has survived in the current re-listing. The image properties show that I'd saved it to my folder on 23rd September 2016.
That one took 6 years, 6 months and 18 days to find a buyer !
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Confused Italian eBay seller onmiller_07 appears to have managed to finally sell another of their 7A38's this morning. This isn't the last of their 7A38's for sale, but it's the last of those (5 or 6?) long-running re-listings I mentioned earlier.
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/283905787416
Once again, presumably as the result of copying 'templates', this watch had been erroneously re-listed (for at least the last three years) as another 7A38-7020. In fact it's a 7A38-7100 SAA038J in NOS condition. Like the titanium 7A38-7130 in my previous post, this re-listing had run since 7th June 2020. Checking the revision history, the photos have been changed three times this year, in February, March and April. However, they still include these 4 photos of the watch, perched on a blue Seiko presentation box, which I'd saved from their original listing on 18th November 2016 !
That one took 6 years, 7 months and 20 days to find a buyer !
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/283905787416
Once again, presumably as the result of copying 'templates', this watch had been erroneously re-listed (for at least the last three years) as another 7A38-7020. In fact it's a 7A38-7100 SAA038J in NOS condition. Like the titanium 7A38-7130 in my previous post, this re-listing had run since 7th June 2020. Checking the revision history, the photos have been changed three times this year, in February, March and April. However, they still include these 4 photos of the watch, perched on a blue Seiko presentation box, which I'd saved from their original listing on 18th November 2016 !
That one took 6 years, 7 months and 20 days to find a buyer !
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Looks like that sale has fallen through. Bloody typical - no sooner than I'd finished writing the previous post than Italian eBay seller onmiller_07 turned round and re-listed it. Still with the same erroneous model number in the title !
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/SEIKO-QUARTZ ... 5371202480
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/SEIKO-QUARTZ ... 5371202480