Yet another mis-represented non-original replacement bracelet

[Seiko7A38]

I'm sick and tired (and no doubt wasting my breath) of bitching about speculative over-pricing, particularly by greedy Italian eBay sellers. But it makes me see red when they chuck an undisclosed non-original bracelet into the 'bargain'. This certainly not 'VERY RARE', but common-or-garden stainless 7A38-7270 was listed by one such in the early hours of this morning, as a 7-day auction with an opening bid price of 450 Euros !

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/VERY-RARE-SE ... 4094727843

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That same stainless 7A38-7270, fitted with an incorrect replacement bracelet, (from eBay in June 2021) was listed on the Italian classified site Subito, in the early hours of yesterday morning, with the price now increased to €500 Euros !

https://www.subito.it/abbigliamento-acc ... 627548.htm

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The brief description translates as: For sale, all working and original in all its parts (which the bracelet certainly is not).
I'm not 100% sure whether it's the same Italian seller, but the previous eBay location of Arquà Polesine is in the province of Rovigo (per the current Subito listing). Plus 4 of his 5 photos are the same as were used in the eBay listing nearly two years ago, albeit now much reduced in size. The wrist shot (taken driving a BMW) is new.

[Seiko7A38]

I may not have written any up in the last 6 months, but there are still just as many 7A38's (and 7Axx's in general) fitted with non-original replacement bracelets being listed on eBay. It does annoy me when I see sellers falsely claiming them to be original. This example of a well-worn 7A38-7180 was listed in the early hours of this morning by a US eBay seller. They're actually asking $350, rather than $420 shown on my screen print. That's eBay automatically adding the 20% VAT. Either way it's still too expensive.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/276178888221

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These two photos clearly show that it's not the original bracelet, which is fitted with a 7-hole adjustment SQ clasp. It's also missing one of the gold plated ornaments from the 6 o'clock side.

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For those readers who need a reminder of what the correct p/n B1412D bracelet on a 7A38-7180 looks like ....

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.... and on its own:

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[Seiko7A38]

Here's another example in a similar vein. This gold-tone 7A38-7190, fitted with an incorrect replacement Seiko bracelet was listed yesterday evening by a dishonest US eBay seller. The ridiculous $600 Buy-it-Now price should be enough of a deterrent to even the most foolhardy mug punter. But you never know, so I thought I should post a salutary warning.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Seiko-7A38-7 ... 6416988979

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The Seiko p/n B1004G bracelet incorrectly fitted is normally found on the 8123-7000 day/date quartz. As a comparison, here's the correct Seiko p/n B1405G bracelet, fitted to my gold-tone 7A38-7190 SAA056J:

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[Seiko7A38]

I suspect this gold-tone 7A38-7270 fitted with a non-original replacement Seiko bracelet will probably catch an unwary punter. It was listed yesterday evening by a US eBay seller, gustosportland, with a moderate Buy-it-Now price of $200.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Vintage-Rare ... 5235867508

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The bracelet is a Seiko p/n B1346G, normally found on the gold-tone H461-5000 / -5009 Ana-Digi. The watch itself was previously listed by another US eBay seller as a 'head only' in the first week of March. Note the case-back serial number 850406 included in their listing title. Presumably the current re-seller persuaded them to end the listing as no longer available, although the purchase history shows it had sold a week earlier for $60.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/386838230272

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For anyone who's in doubt what the correct Seiko p/n B1615G bracelet looks like, here's a wrist shot of one of mine.

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[Seiko7A38]

This 7A38-7010, listed yesterday evening by a dishonest Italian seller, as a 7-day auction with an opening bid of €299 Euros, is likely to catch out an unwary punter. The bracelet may be fitted with a 7-hole SQ clasp and bear an uncanny resemblance to the correct Seiko p/n Z1118S, but as can be seen from the stampings in the photo of the case-back, it's actually a Seiko p/n G1031S, normally found on the D409-5000 Digital (Data Bank Silverwave).

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Vintage-Seik ... 6462584861

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For what little help it is, here's an old wrist shot of one of my 7A38-7010's fitted with the correct p/n Z1118S bracelet:

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[Seiko7A38]

This stainless 7A38-7000 was listed earlier this morning, by a dishonest UK eBay seller doominated, who claims that the watch is in immaculate condition and all original. You don't have to study the photos too closely to see neither is true. The price he's asking of £495 is laughable for an example in this condition, particularly fitted with the wrong bracelet.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Vintage-Seik ... 6168208318

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At first glance, to the uncritical eye, the bracelet may look very similar to the correct original item, apart from missing the black painted inlays. But checking the seller's photo of the case-back, shows the bracelet is stamped B1073, making it a Seiko p/n B1073S, normally found on a 7A28-703A. Here's what the correct Seiko p/n B1170S bracelet looks like:

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Seiko 7A38-7000 (SAA007J) by Paul. S., on Flickr

[Seiko7A38]

I suspect this gold-tone 7A38-7270 fitted with a non-original replacement Seiko bracelet will probably catch an unwary punter. It was listed yesterday evening by a US eBay seller, gustosportland, with a moderate Buy-it-Now price of $200.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Vintage-Rare ... 5235867508

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That gold-tone 7A38-7270 fitted with an incorrect replacement bracelet was re-listed (still @ $200) and eventually sold (for a second time) on 29th April. The person who bought it, cro-7091 left gustosportland a glowing feedback:

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He's evidently become disenchanted with it, because it's now back on eBay again, listed for the same $200 asking price.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Vintage-Rare ... 5078108478

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[Seiko7A38]

I guess I may have let a few slip by, without passing comment, in the latter part of last year. But this 7A38-7070, fitted with a non-original replacement Seiko bracelet, listed by dishonest UK eBay seller surrymaw1981 yesterday evening, with a ludicrous Buy-it-Now asking price of £750, gave me good cause to resurrect this thread.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/176780170191

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For the benefit of anyone who doesn't know what the correct original p/n B1241S bracelet on a 7A38-7070 looks like, here's an old wrist shot of one of mine:

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.... and a NOS p/n B1241S bracelet that was listed on eBay a few years back:

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Edit: the seller has since revised his description to read 'featuring a stainless steel strap in silver with spare links.'

[Seiko7A38]

There have been a few 7A38's fitted with non-original replacement bracelets listed on eBay recently, but this one stuck in my craw, because of the dishonest US eBay seller's attempt to deliberately deceive. This 7A38-7010 in average worn condition was listed overnight with a Buy-it-Now price of $325 with the option to make an offer. Not only does the title include the words 'Original Bracelet', but the description includes this false statement:

The watch is fitted with its rare original Seiko bracelet, which is adjustable via the clasp.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/397485485071

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You don't have to study the photos too closely to see that it isn't the correct original Seiko p/n Z1118S bracelet. The links are a shade too wide; the wrong profile and the wrong finish. The bracelet is fitted with a Seiko 5-hole clasp (as opposed to a Seiko SQ 7-hole clasp).

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It's not possible to identify which Seiko bracelet this is, from the part number stampings on the fixing tube, because in his photo of the case-back, he has conveniently removed the bracelet.

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For those unsure what the correct p/n Z1118S bracelet on a 7A38-7010 looks like, check out this eBay Germany listing:
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/205993806465

[OldListenerNewCaller]

Hi! Longtime reader, new poster here. Just flagging that the last listing was mine, and I've taken it down. It was an honest mistake. I've followed this forum and never thought I'd show up on this thread! When I bought this watch, I thought it was the original bracelet. I actually bought it because of the non-original B1424-E bracelet it came with that I wanted to use for another watch. But either way, my mistake - I should have done more research. I do need to make some space in my watch box , so if anyone would like it, non-original bracelet and all, please reach out!

[Seiko7A38]

There have been four examples of the stainless 7A38-7000 SAA007J listed on eBay worldwide in January, so far. Only one of them (presumably already sold) was fitted with the correct original Seiko p/n B1170S bracelet. The two that were listed Stateside were both fitted with Speidel aftermarket bracelets. The one that has already sold was truly hideous and the other which remains unsold is fitted with a Speidel Twist-O-Flex, which is pretty obvious. The third most recent example, fitted with a non-original replacement Seiko bracelet, listed by a devious UK eBay seller this morning, is possibly less obvious to the unwary punter. Especially when the seller states in his description:

The bracelet is original with the long Seiko SQ clasp, why don’t they still do these ?

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/326970081286

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As you can see from the last photo it's actually a Seiko p/n C108(S) and a pretty tired looking example of one at that.
If you're unsure what the correct Seiko p/n B1170S bracelet on a stainless 7A38-7000 looks like, check out my photo higher up the page, or this nice but rather expensive example currently listed on eBay Italy (since October last year).