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johngo at October 15, 2020 at 3:01 PM

Hey everybody,

I can confirm I am the seller of the Yema Spationaute III.

I have too many watches and have to part with some.

Reserve price is set very realistically.

Best regards,

John


John's Catawiki auction for a Yema Spationaute III ended a few moments ago, with bidding having only reached a rather disappointing 250 Euros and not surprisingly with the reserve price not met. :(


http://www.catawiki.com/l/41235737-yema-spationauteiii-men-1980-1989



If you fancy a very nice almost NOS condition example, I strongly recommend you drop him a PM. ;)


October 18, 2020 at 8:28 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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Seiko7A38 at October 18, 2020 at 8:19 AM

Remiss of me not to have spotted these before, particularly with '7A38' included in the listing title. This job lot pair of Yema N80P896 'Psuedo Plongeurs' was listed a couple of days ago, by a French eBay seller, as a 5-day auction, with an opening bid price of 160 Euros. There are still almost 3 days of the auction remaining. The white dialed version has a chronograph fault and the case-back of the black dialed version appears to have been skimmed.


http://ebay.co.uk/itm/293785373790


The original 5-day eBay auction for the job lot pair of Yema N80P896 'Pseudo Plongeurs' ended a couple of days ago, without any bids placed - unsold.


http://ebay.co.uk/itm/293785373790

The French eBay seller immediately re-listed them as another 5-day auction, but then ended the re-listed auction early, after only one day, because of an error. :/


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/293793555255



At the time of writing, he hasn't re-listed them (separately) and I suspect he may possibly have succumbed to a 'back door offer'. Time will tell.


October 23, 2020 at 3:52 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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This Yema Spationaute III 38mm 'reduced' model # N80A696 in used, but evidently decent well cared for condition, still fitted with the original Yema shark strap, was listed by a French eBay seller late this afternoon, as a 7-day auction, with an opening bid price of 200 Euros, or the option to Buy-it-Now for 350 Euros.


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/264939414658


 

Yema Spationaute III. État : "Occasion". 

La pile a été changé en début d’année. 

La montre fonctionne très bien. 

Petite rayures d’usage sur le fond de boîte (photos). 

Une montre sobre et très classe à porter. 

Je n’ai plus la boîte ni les papiers. 

La montre sera très bien emballée pour l’expédition. 

Bonne enchère à tous !


November 15, 2020 at 1:49 PM Flag Quote & Reply

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Hardly worth mentioning really. This well-worn gold-tone Yema model # N71X33 '7A28'. fitted with an incongrous-looking cork strap was listed earlier today by a German eBay seller, with a risible 'pie-in-the-sky' Buy-it-Now price of 249.95 Euros. Clearly a chancer who has no idea of the real worth of these things. Not much. :roll:


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/353280960541


 

Guter Zustand, Uhr läuft. Gehäusedurchmesser ohne Krone 38 mm, mit Krone und Drücker 42 mm. 

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Es gilt für alle Uhren die ich anbiete folgendes: 

Alte mechanische Uhren sind keine neuen Uhren, sie laufen grundsätzlich niemals genau, auch benötigen mechanische Uhren wie ein Auto eine Wartung, d.h. eine Reinigung und Ölung (Revision) von Zeit zu Zeit, da ich kein Uhrmacher bin und das nicht selber machen kann und es oftmals auch mehr kostet als die Uhr selbst, und auch keine Ahnung habe von sowas und nicht in der Uhr drin stecke und man nie genau weiss wie lange und wie genau eine Uhr läuft, (Das kann und will ich auch nicht genau ausmessen) schreibe ich hiermit dass die angebotene Uhr möglicherweise eine Revision benötigt, dass diese ungenau geht, dass Batterien bei Quartzuhren die ich anbiete leer sein könnten und vom Kunden erneuert werden müssen. 

Auch möglicherweise vorhandene äusserliche Abnutzungen bitte den Fotos entnehmen, diese sind in gewissem Ausmass als normal anzusehen bei alten Uhren, der Zustand kann trotzdem gut sein auch mit leichten Gebrauchsspuren aus meiner Sicht und auch wenn sie technisch überholungsbedürftig ist. Das ist meine Meinung, die darf man nicht verurteilen, die darf ich haben – Wer anderer Meinung ist o.k. aber bitte jeder soll die Meinung des anderen akzeptieren und respektieren so wie es sich gehört. Und oftmals sind Lichtspiegelung beim fotografieren auf dem Foto zu sehen, da ich keine besonders gute Kamera verwendet habe.


November 17, 2020 at 9:50 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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The 7-day French eBay auction for a Yema Spationaute III 38mm 'reduced', model # N80A696 ended a few moments ago, selling for the opening bid price of 200 Euros.


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/264939414658

November 22, 2020 at 11:35 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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This dressy Yema N81W63 Breguet Classique clone, with the more attractive dark blue and silver dial, was listed in the early hours of this morning, by an Australian eBay seller, as a 5-day auction with a sensible opening bid price of $180 Au., with the option to Buy-it-Now for an equally reasonable $245 Au. Apart from the usual (slipped tool) scratches on the case-back, it appears to be in decent condition, still fitted with the original Yema leather strap and comes with the correct period Yema presentation box. If I'm not mistaken, the seller stevenkazza_9 is an erstwhile member of this forum (Steve7a). Pity then that he won't ship outside Australia. :/


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/264960583658


VINTAGE YEMA PARIS N8 QUARTZ ANALOGUE 15 JEWEL CHRONOGRAPH WATCH, USES THE SEIKO 7A38 (FIRST EVER QUARTZ ANALOGUE MOVEMENT) REBRANDED TO SHIMAUCHI, MADE IN FRANCE, 5ATM 50M WATER RESISTANT.

WORKS PERFECTLY, VERY LITTLE WORN WITH SOME VISIBLE MARKS TO REAR OF CASE. YEMA ORIGINAL BAND AND BOX. WATCH FACE MEASURES APPROX 38MM NOT INCLUDING THE CROWN OR PUSHERS. RELUCTANT SALE, FROM A SMOKE FREE ENVIRONMENT, ALWAYS STORED CORRECTLY AWAY FROM DUST AND MOISTURE. VERY HARD TO FIND IN THIS CONDITION. RELUCTANT SALE, NEEDS TO GO TO A GOOD HOME WHERE IT WILL BE WORN ! POSTAGE WITHIN AUSTRALIA BY EXPRESS POST, SORRY NO INTERNATIONAL POSTAGE. THANKS FOR LOOKING!


December 2, 2020 at 5:39 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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The above 5-day Australian eBay auction for a Yema N81W63 ended in the early hours of this morning, selling for the opening bid price of $180 Au.


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/264960583658


December 7, 2020 at 3:46 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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Looks like Australian eBay seller stevenkazza_9 (a.k.a 'Steve7A')'s sale of that Yema N81W63 has fallen through. He re-listed it this morning as a Buy-it-Now, with a reduced asking price of $225 Au. He's since added 3 new photos, subsequently making the wrist shot his primary image. Another shows the Shimauchi Ltd. V906 signed '7A38' movement.


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/264971646312



The description looks much the same as before, apart from the addition of:

RELISTED DUE TO "NON PAYING" HIGH BIDDER!


December 10, 2020 at 8:27 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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Steve's Yema N81W63 appears to have sold for a second time, earlier this morning, for the Buy-it-Now price of $225 Au.


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/264971646312


December 13, 2020 at 4:06 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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I see Belgian forum member 'Johngo' has re-listed his almost NOS condition Yema Spationaute III on Catawiki. Bidding is currently @ 220 Euros. Hopefully his reserve price will be met this time.



http://www.catawiki.com/l/43393463-yema-spationaute-iii-men-1980-1989



December 13, 2020 at 10:46 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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Late this afternoon, about 4 hours ago, John gave his Catawiki auction lististing for his Yema Spationaute III a little plug. He wrote:


Hi, 

Last time I set the reserve at 270,-. 

This time I set it at 240,- 

It has met reserve and is currently at 301,- with another four hours to go. 

Best regards, John


I didn't have a problem with that, except he'd posted it by using the Quote & Reply button, thereby including a quote of my immediately preceding post. So I deleted it and sent him a quick PM, asking him to re-post it without the quote. He didn't. :(


His auction ended a few minutes ago, with bidding @ 341 Euros. Adding Catawiki's 9% commission gives a total selling price of 371.69 Euros.


http://www.catawiki.com/l/43393463-yema-spationaute-iii-men-1980-1989



December 18, 2020 at 3:34 PM Flag Quote & Reply

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I really shouldn't care less, but this downright lazy cheapskate kind of profiteering annoys the hell out of me ! :mad: In the early hours of this morning, an Australian eBay re-seller listed what is obviously the same Yema N81W63 sold by stevenkazza_9 a week ago for $225 Au., as a 7-day auction with an opening bid price of $230 Au., or the option to Buy-it-Now for $300 Au. He's obviously cloned Steve's re-listing, using eBay's 'Sell one like this' feature, right down to the (slightly edited) description in the same color font. To add insult to injury, he's re-using 8 of Steve's photos, including his wrist shot as the primary image and has the gall to write: Sorry about the quality of the photos, I am not a very good photographer. His own crappy photos, which only include one of the watch are the last 4 in the set.


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/324424527436


 

I have for sale a stunning and elegant Vintage YEMA Paris N81W63 Quartz Analogue Watch with Chronograph Stopwatch with a Yema Paris tag and replacement battery note

This watch uses the powerful Seiko 7A38 Day/Date movement - which followed the first-ever Seiko 7A28 movement in the early 1980's.

The watch was made in France, where the Yema brand has become legendary for it's high quality and reliability

It is water resistant to 5 ATM (50M) - although it hasn't been pressure tested - has a 30 minute stopwatch function which is measured by a large sweep second hand.

There are 3 pushers which all work correctly and the Cabochon? crown is on the left side

All functions work as they should and the day and date roll over nicely and, given its age, the face looks really good but the back

has a number of visible scratches. It keeps very good time.

The Yema branded genuine leather band looks original as it has been well worn but still looks good. It would fit a wrist up to about

19.5cm

I have included a copy of the manual of the 7A38 movement which is very helpful

Comes with a Yema box

The body of the watch is approx 38cm without the crown or pushers

Sorry about the quality of the photos, I am not a very good photographer

FREE EXPRESS POSTAGE


December 20, 2020 at 4:47 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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Originally posted by myself on October 23, 2020 at 8:52 AM:


The French eBay seller immediately re-listed them as another 5-day auction, but then ended the re-listed auction early, after only one day, because of an error. :/


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/293793555255



At the time of writing, he hasn't re-listed them (separately) and I suspect he may possibly have succumbed to a 'back door offer'. Time will tell.


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I've been meaning to write an update on the subject of those 2 Yema N80P896 Pseudo Plongeurs for a while. I guess now is as good a time as any. The French seller hadn't sold them and re-listed them again separately as 5-day auctions earlier in the month. The black dialed one had been fitted with a different Yema branded (but non-original) leather strap and had an opening bid price of 80 Euros:


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/293890203577



Montre Chronographe Yema Vintage Chronomat Mouvement 7A38. État : "Occasion" Chronographe Yema style Breitling Chronomat , Diametre 39, Entrecornes 20mm, Pile Neuve, Bracelet Cuir avec Boucle Yema, Fonctionne Parfaitement. Expédition soignée.


The partially functioning white dialed version re-appeared fitted with a generic stainless bracelet and had an opening bid price of 40 Euros.


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/293890204448



Montre Chronographe Yema Vintage Chronomat Mouvement 7A38. État : "Occasion" Chronographe Yema, Style Breitling Chronomat, Pile Neuve, Verre Neuf, Bracelet Acier Générique, Diametre 39mm, Entrecornes 20mm. Fonction Chrono ne démarre pas. Le reste fonctionne Parfaitement. Expédition Soignée.


Both 5-day auctions failed to attract any bids first time around:


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/293890203577


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/293890204448


Both were subsequently re-listed (the black dialed version twice) as 3-day auctions.


The black dialed version on a leather strap sold this morning - not as I'd incorrectly first assumed, for the opening bid price of 80 Euros, but it appears to have been a best offer accepted.


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/293903545434

The re-listed 3-day auction for the white dial on a generic stainless bracelet ended a few moments ago, selling for 56 Euros after 4 bids.


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/293905095340


December 20, 2020 at 2:36 PM Flag Quote & Reply

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I don't know what to say, really. Words almost fail me. This JAZ Paris N8YZ669 was listed yesterday evening by a US eBay seller. I've always had a bit of a soft spot for the dressy little JAZ N8's, particularly the attractive Panda dial version and thought they were under-valued. But $850 ??!! To add insult to injury, it's being offered to buyers outside USA through eBay's dysfunctional GSP programme, which potentially adds another $274 in charges, to the already ridiculous asking price.


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/274620058438



NEW VINTAGE "JAZ PARIS” ELEGANT MENS WATCH GENUINE CROCODILE STRAP. Condition is "New with defects". Shipped with USPS First Class.

December 21, 2020 at 12:29 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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Seems December 2020 is really turning into the 'Silly Season' on NOS N8's. Yesterday evening, Italian eBay seller strega_68 listed not one, but two supposedly new unworn Yema N8's.


The first is a N81W63 Breguet Classique clone, the version with the more attractive dark blue and silver 'Louis Quinze' dial. It's fitted with a Yema branded strap, and although I have seen other alternative straps fitted to this model for the Italian market, I'm not convinced this one is original. However, what is interesting about this particular example, is that its case-back still retains almost all the red waxy plastic protective covering - which we've seen traces of on previous examples.


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/124499037748



Extremely Rare Yema Paris Chronograph Watch Seiko movement caliber 7a38 vintage. new, never worn all original Yema Paris. Works well. Collector's item.


The second N8 is a Yema N80P896 Psuedo Plonguer, fitted with a non-original aftermarket two-tone bracelet. The seller has currently uploaded a single photo.


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/124499400018

 


Extremely Rare Yema Paris Chronograph Watch Seiko movement 7a38 vintage

new, never worn works

well bracelet not branded Yema

collector's item


Giovanni's speculatively over-priced eBay listings are always good for a laugh, :roll: whatever the time of year. But he's excelled himself, not once but twice, this time. Their Buy-it-Now prices are $2000 and $1900  respectively !!


December 24, 2020 at 5:30 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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Seiko7A38 at August 14, 2020 at 2:51 AM

In yet another instance of recent Déjà Vu (from the previous page), a very familiar looking Kamatz 517000 re-appeared on eBay earlier this morning, listed by an evidently extremely lazy would-be profiteering US eBay re-seller, with an eye to making a fast buck for absolutely zero effort. Not only hasn't he bothered to take his own photos, re-using the previous seller's images (which can be found on page 33 of this thread), uploaded in a much smaller size, direct from his mobile phone, but he's also copied the bulk of their description. Worse still, neither has he bothered to replace the flat battery (which he appears to state they don't make anymore). :roll: Yours now for a mere $395 !! :lol:


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/402361836641


MINT RARE COLLECTIBLE MEN'S FRANCE WATCH "KAMATZ" Leather Band Made In FRANCE. The watch need new battery. They don’t make it anymore. Condition is Pre-owned. Shipped with USPS First Class.


It had taken the previous US eBay seller more than 15 months to find a buyer. He eventually sold it to would-be profiteering re-seller netur-26 a week ago for $90. I guess it's going to be around for a little while longer. :roll:


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/293680952741



Apologies for the full quote, but I'm just carrying forward the pertinent information from the previous page. It's time for a somewhat inconclusive footnote to the saga of that Kamatz 517000. Over the last 4 months or so, the would-be profiteering US eBay re-seller netur-26 had made a large number of revisions to his listing.


These included uploading his own set of photos, which were actually something of an improvement on the previous seller's. He also reduced his greedily marked-up Buy-it-Now price, in stages - a total of 14 times, from his original ridiculous $395 to a more realistic (if still on the high side) $165. So that by the middle of December, the much revised listing now looked like this:



MINT RARE COLLECTIBLE MEN'S FRANCE WATCH "KAMATZ" Leather Band Made In FRANCE. The face is blue. The watch need new battery. They don’t make it anymore. Condition is Pre-owned. Shipped with USPS First Class.

Thought remarkably, he still hadn't managed to find / fit a replacement battery ! :roll:

The listing ended in the early hours of Christmas morning.


Yet oddly, I can't find any conclusive evidence proving that it actually sold. :/ There's nothing on eBay to show that it did and WatchCount.com shows it as still being 'available'. All there is in the eBay Purchase History is the deliberate lowball offer of $95 that I made him back on 14th August.


Weirdly enough, a similar fate appears to have befallen the Kamatz 518000 Oscar Bravo 'Panda' that was listed by another US eBay seller about a week later ....

December 26, 2020 at 5:47 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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Seiko7A38 at August 20, 2020 at 1:43 AM

Seiko7A38 at August 12, 2020 at 4:01 AM

Lately this thread seems to be turning into the 'Kamatz 5xx000 spotted' thread. :roll:


Perhaps I should more correctly have written: Lately this thread seems to be turning into the ridiculously speculatively over-priced 'Kamatz 5xx000 spotted' thread. :roll:


This Kamatz 518000 Oscar Bravo 'Panda' in average worn condition, was listed yesterday evening by a US eBay seller, with a risible 'pie-in-the-sky' Buy-it-Now price of $599.99. There is also the option to make a much lower more realistic offer. Note the title of the listing - obviously copied verbatim from that of deluded US eBay seller cousinsgold2011. One assumes they also took his lead for their pricing.


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/133497841147


I hadn't posted an update on this one before, for the same reason - simply because I hadn't managed to figure out what had actually become of it. :/ The deluded US eBay seller texasman6238 had made a couple of revisions to his listing, one of which was reducing his original ludicrous 'pie-in-the-sky' Buy-it-Now price of $599.99 to a marginally less ridiculous $399.99 at the end of September.


The listing ended 3 weeks ago on 5th December, in similar strange circumstances.


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/133497841147

I can't find any evidence of it having been sold on eBay and WatchCount.com shows it as ended unsold and still 'available'. Again, the eBay Purchase History shows only the two declined cheeky lowball offers that I made, back in August.



December 26, 2020 at 6:28 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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Seiko7A38 at July 8, 2020 at 10:29 AM

Seiko7A38 at June 27, 2020 at 4:55 AM

The average well-worn 38mm reduced Yema Spationaute III N80A696, missing its crown, included in a lot of 3 non-running Yema watches, sold yesterday evening. Not for the French seller's 'pie-in-the-sky' Buy-it-Now price of 400 Euros, but ....


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/392844539239

As revealed by the alternative 'true selling price' link for a best offer of 220 Euros.


http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?viewitem&item=392844539239



Another eBay sale appears to have fallen through. :roll: That non-running well-worn 38mm reduced Yema Spationaute III, missing a crown that supposedy sold (as one of a job lot of 3 non-running Yema watches) for 220 Euros, less than a fortnight ago, is back on eBay again, re-listed this morning by the French seller, looking exactly the same as before.


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/392866139436



The well-worn Yema Spationaute III 38mm reduced, missing its crown, included in a job lot of 3 non-working Yema watches, first listed by a French eBay seller in June, finally sold this afternoon. Not for the reduced Buy-it-Now price of 345 Euros, but for an undisclosed best offer.


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/392890104409


December 31, 2020 at 12:23 PM Flag Quote & Reply

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I've been meaning to add this update to this thread for a couple of days. Nothing to hide, or be ashamed about - I've just been busy with other stuff. ;) Remember that NOS JAZ N8YZ669 listed the week before Christmas, by a US eBay seller, with a ludicrous 'pie-in-the-sky' Buy-it-Now price of $850 (plus $274 in GSP charges) ?


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/274620058438


I'm not sure what prompted it, but at the weekend, just after midnight on Saturday, the US eBay seller revised their listing making a couple of minor changes to the title and description (adding in the sales code 2020H) ....




.... But more significantly, reducing their 'pie-in-the-sky' Buy-it-Now price from $850 down to a marginally less ridiculous figure of 'only' $450.


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/274620058438


Around the same time, they added another new listing for a NOS Jaz N8YZ63, with the same 'pie-in-the-sky' Buy-it-Now price of $450.


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/274633226171




JAZ PARIS WATCH 2040H Men’s Strap Chronograph Quartz Month Date Made In France. Condition is "New with tags". Shipped with USPS Parcel Select Ground.


As neither of my two existing examples of the gold-plated N8YZ63 were in ideal condition, naturally I was interested - but not @ $450, thank you very much.


I added it to my eBay watching page, along with their still over-priced N8YZ669. A couple of hours later, I received one of those mildly annoying discount offers from the seller, with a reduced Buy-it-Now price of 'only' $350. :roll: Instead of declining, I made them a cheeky, somewhat lower counter offer - and much to my surprise, they accepted !!  Flushed by that rather unexpected success, striking while the iron was hot, I made an identical cheeky lowball offer on their NOS two-tone N8YZ669 (that they'd originally been asking a ludicrous $850 for) which was similarly promptly accepted. :D


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/274633226171

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/274620058438


Despite what eBay deceptively shows, I have it on very good authority that both Jaz N8's sold for offers of $250 each. ;)


January 5, 2021 at 7:35 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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Remiss of me, I'd overlooked posting this before now, even though I'd taken screen prints and uploaded them to the photo gallery. Fortunately, Buyee just sent me an 'ending soon' notification as a timely reminder.


This Yema Spationaute III Aragatz was listed on Yahoo Japan late on New Year's Eve as a 7-day auction, with an opening bid price of 3,980 Yen. I only spotted it when the listing was already 4 days old, but no bids had been placed at that stage. It's in average worn condition, with a scratched crystal and in need of a replacement battery. It's still fitted with the original Yema shark strap, albeit rather worn looking and heavily sweat-stained.



http://page.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/x753176777





Google translates the Japanese description as follows:

 

This is chrono from YEMA, France.

Probably manufactured in the 1980s and 90s.

It is an item that is rarely seen in Japan.

Currently, the battery is dead.

There are scratches on the windshield, but the main body is good without any noticeable scratches.

Since the belt is made of leather, it can be used, but it may deteriorate.

There is no box or instruction manual.

Since it is currently on sale, no claim is required.

We will sell at a low price, so please take this opportunity!


The 7-day auction finished a few moments ago on schedule (unusually there was no automatic extension) selling for ¥16,500 Yen after 17 bids, equivalent to approx. $159.28 USD / £117.09 GBP.


http://page.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/x753176777



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